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在人类这个不停制造表象的物种里,也有不同流合污的少数人群,犹如莲花出淤泥而不染。 (豆瓣 INTP小组)

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{"blocks":[{"key":"f1k68","text":"intp喜爱思考我是愿意理解的,我指的是我理解完全严肃的思考。不能以包括小事,“你说的我都懂”“大道理我都知道”,感情(包括善恶,亲情),大义(包括爱国,爱民族,爱人类)等为理由逃避任何的严肃思考。(这些错误是我这个infp曾经犯过的。)我的个人经历是,在我不严肃的时候,思考受到的潜意识里感性层面的严重干扰,但是我当时是感觉不到的! ","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"eve0r","text":"我印象中没有见过哪个人是intp,我这里的人情社会浓烈的小地方诞生intp的可能性应该很微小。 但是我这里的intj不少。我很好奇intp的眼神如何。另外我有一个问题:","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"cid4u","text":"请问你作为intp,经历中,有哪些类型的人,会很关注你?intp的经历里,esfj会很关注你吗。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"4g0cc","text":"网上说intp的弱fe,在早期会喜欢esfj。这一点我觉得可信。我家里的intj也喜欢找esfp。但是如果这是劣势功能的弥补,那么我作为infp早期应该喜欢te女,但是我印象中好像没有过这回事!","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"1c3i0","text":"","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"bofgl","text":"--------------------------","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"70uud","text":"1,人总是在寒冷中才最渴望温暖","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"5issd","text":"我是不讲逻辑的,因此intp不喜欢我。但是我认为intp喜不喜欢我,和我喜不喜欢intp完全是2个互不干涉的问题。你喜欢我,我也喜欢你。你不喜欢我,我照样喜欢你。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"d3n0v","text":"因为我看待人是独立性的,不考虑相互关系。例如我奶奶把我从小养,但是我不喜欢她(esfp)的本质追求,所以我不感恩,不喜欢她。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"cvidl","text":"看起来人性有多样性很正常,但是有一个一直存在 的问题,为什么我是这个样子?而不是另外的对立的样子呢?","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"clp13","text":"我认为我这种情况是心理平静的状态。而感恩是有问题的。感恩是利益关系形成的规则思维,这种规则思维的形成,是渴望回报的心理。想要别人回报自己,才去表现的对别人好。为了确保别人回报自己,就需要炮制维护利益规则,用规则来约束别人。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"beo47","text":"那么为什么我要来intp小组呢?因为现实里太悲凉了,纯粹真诚的思考的人不遇到,我这是逃避心理。好比农民工过年回家,寻找温暖逃避现实的寒冷。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"eah8m","text":"2表象也可以是抽象的","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"f2fg7","text":"表象也可以是抽象的。人的本质是意识,内心追求,执念,业力,习性延续。根本上人的本质存在在运转,这驱使人要在表象世界运动。ESXP为了获取别人好感喜欢假装热情,这是在制造形象的表象。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"b7aei","text":"但是表象也有抽象的。istp和estp的区别是:前者性格偏安静,但是生存危机感很强。后者贪婪,侵略性强。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"2suh0","text":"istp不停的制造规则去制约社会自己不想看到的那一面。istp的危机意识,需要的是良好的,安全的社会。istp在残酷的人类斗争中服软,拉关系,用集体化来“讲道理”,来保障自己的安全,渴望建立人人有尊严与基本权力的世界,他们动用ti,炮制了各种道德,体制,规则。stpi重视规则,原则。因为与社会上的投机主义者相比,stpi炮制的理念例如人权等确实有很强的制约性。而且,特别反对吸毒,把“人类存亡”看的重要,他们太渴望一个安全的生存环境了。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"fnbqe","text":"而投机主义者立场不定,哪种情况对自己好就支持什么观点,从宏观层面,是没用的。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"gubh","text":"infj也是类似的,喜欢讲人道主义。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"cq7pq","text":"那么,这些抽象的规则,也是istp的本质“生存意志”感到强烈危机,制造出的表象。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"co543","text":"3.有意识是表象的被制造者","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"fk6h2","text":"潜意识是表象的制造者,有意识是表象的被制造者,有意识层面的自己认可制造出来的那种想要表象出来的“人格”的真实存在性,这就好比艺术家在后台操控木偶在台上表演,而木偶有了灵魂,木偶看不到台后的艺术家,以为自己的一举一动都是自己做出的决策。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"34c9r","text":"这种荒唐的闹剧遍布于人类之中。人类在漫长的历史中,一直考虑的是为了目的,欲望而制造思维制造了那么多虚幻的思维,却连带着欺骗了自己,这说明有意识思维的欠缺。而ESXP最热衷制造表象,同时远离自己的本质。痛恨接近自己的本质。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"bn9nh","text":"ESTP的人排斥mbti,绝不仅仅是SE的局限性导致的无知。这种人根本不会真的崇尚真理,而是崇尚地位,欲望,优越感。让estp承认N的巨大价值,就好比夜郎国的皇帝以为世界上只有夜郎国,而自己是世界上最伟大的人,结果有人跑来说外面还有更大的国家,夜郎国皇帝是无法接受这个事实的。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"3spi3","text":"estp的眼里的自己,不是现实里 的自己,而是理想人格中强大的自己,他们痛恨现实里弱小的自己,他们需要爱国获得强大感,需要接近权力中心往上爬。estp的欲望是祖先长期压制出来的业力,他们为了欲望不要尊严,嬉皮笑脸巴结权势,欺负弱者获得优越感。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"5crnc","text":"4,人性的极点","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"9atm5","text":"在人类这个不停制造表象的物种里,也有不同流合污的少数人群,犹如莲花出淤泥而不染。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"9td7","text":"一个是人性原始的, 静态的,具有同情心的,内心宁静的一面:isfj的内心一面————永恒的佛性。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"fvbmb","text":"一个是因为对于真的一面的本质追求,而对于与真相对立的,不尊重“真”的那一面的排斥,这是intP的思考的一面。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"89h65","text":"intp的存在性也许不是巧合,而是必然,是宿命。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"4mm3v","text":"而infp男,我认为从根本上是佛性,是和isfj一样的。但是infp男心不够静,需要不断静心,接近自己的本质存在:佛性。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"e6760","text":"intj,诞生与人性在不断的争斗中,处于最悲惨一面诞生的生存压力最大的人格,毕生都已处理紧急状况的ni为主。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"8096o","text":"estp,诞生与无尽业力,祖先生灭轮回中积累的无尽欲望,对于优越感的无限渴望。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"5api9","text":"而infj,istp,犹如我上面所言,处于中间状态,他们想要一个安全的生存大环境,不是国家范围的社会环境,就是所属物种范围的大环境。不是充满理性制约的大环境,就是充满感性关怀的大环境。无尽前世的不安全,导致安全感的执着愈来愈强。这种安全感是缘起缘灭的执念,有生有灭,在生死流转中,可以逐渐变强也可以逐渐减弱,可以说不具有恒定意义。但是从当事人来说,也可以说是真实存在的。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"ag0up","text":"这好比我母亲爱我,但是她爱的是自己的儿子,而不是具体的一个对象。如果我变成另一个我不喜欢的日,她照样爱我。是这三生三世积累的情感。这种爱是真实的吗?是,也不是。","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}},{"key":"9qppm","text":"","type":"unstyled","depth":0,"inlineStyleRanges":[],"entityRanges":[],"data":{}}],"entityMap":{}}

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